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A letter from Mary.
« on: December 08, 2015, 04:35:49 AM »
I, like all of you here, have been so immersed in reading tributes and eulogies over the last few days.
This letter is by far the heaviest!
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207
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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2015, 04:37:30 AM »
Sorry. Didn't realize this was already posted elsewhere.
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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2015, 04:47:28 AM »

Scott said it himself years ago in that Esquire interview. Heroin led him to feel like he was holding onto his former self dangling over the edge of a cliff, and he could feel his former self slip away. Over the years, with the relapses, and the drinking and abuse of meds, constantly trying to numb himself rather than deal with the mess his life had become, I think his former self finally lost grip and fell off that cliff years ago...


Not to mention, while he paraded around with the Wildabouts, faking his big excitement about it being his first project since Core he was so excited for, while singing and acting indifferently on stage, like he couldn't be bothered. He was actually talking to Chris Kushner last month and really wanted VR to get back together (I guess it signified a period of stability in his life, almost like a cry for help). That and what Mary said in this letter about Scott calling her up over the last few years, at night upset he couldn't get out of his bad situation surrounded with bad people and choices. It seems to me like any glimmer of the real Scott, like Mary said, just gave up somewhere along the way. Perhaps there was but a glimmer left, but now it's gone forever, and that is the biggest tragedy.

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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2015, 04:51:35 AM »
The music is why we loved him, but will the slow drip of information that's bound to become public about his affairs  change anyone's view of him?  We knew him through lyrics and performances. We didn't know the actual man. As fans we tend to project what we want our musical heroes to be.

Mary didn't hold back, man.  And it really paints a dark picture of what he became in later years.
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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2015, 04:58:14 AM »
Addiction steals your character then your soul, how tortured he had to have been to keep running  for decades from what was going on in his head . This all so unbearably tragic .

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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2015, 05:07:39 AM »
I will be honest. I don't get the point of Mary's letter. I'm sure everything she said is true and honest, but I don't understand what purpose does it serve to tell all of this now. Maybe I'm missing something (not being a native English speaker can do that to you), so I'd really appreciate some insight on this.
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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2015, 05:09:28 AM »
I will be honest. I don't get the point of Mary's letter. I'm sure everything she said is true and honest, but I don't understand what purpose does it serve to tell all of this now. Maybe I'm missing something (not being a native English speaker can do that to you), so I'd really appreciate some insight on this.

So that his death isn't treated like many rock star deaths, with the same old tortured artist, soul too pure for this world narrative.


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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2015, 05:10:39 AM »
I will be honest. I don't get the point of Mary's letter. I'm sure everything she said is true and honest, but I don't understand what purpose does it serve to tell all of this now. Maybe I'm missing something (not being a native English speaker can do that to you), so I'd really appreciate some insight on this.

So that his death isn't treated like many rock star deaths, with the same old tortured artist, soul too pure for this world narrative.

Ok, that makes sense...thanks Brett.
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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2015, 05:20:37 AM »
This makes me angry. I will never understand people who abandon their children.

It also makes me sad. Should I have stayed home two weeks ago? Did I, inadvertently, contribute to the death of someone I had nothing but love for?

This fucking sucks. I hate it.
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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 05:21:31 AM »
Mary Weiland. Pretty sad. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207

That was very tough to read.  Wow.

I knew slowly there would be truths written or spoken that I just wouldn't want to hear.  I just assumed such truths would be related to the road life.  Not the home life.

Damn.
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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2015, 05:26:06 AM »
Man. I gotta say I hate being left feeling personally like I'm a sheep that contributed to the sadness of Scott and his kids. Her letter does give me guilt.  We bought into a world that set him up to fail as fans. That's hard to hear especially with kids of my own. Also I'm quite shocked to hear about a misdiagnosis of bi-polar. Her whole book was about living with that condition. Feels like a lie now. She's certainly opening up to a lot of questions and setting up a new book opportunity.

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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2015, 05:31:19 AM »
Wonder if Scott's widow will respond. Have to think she'll take issue with some of that stuff.

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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2015, 05:32:29 AM »
This makes me angry. I will never understand people who abandon their children.

It also makes me sad. Should I have stayed home two weeks ago? Did I, inadvertently, contribute to the death of someone I had nothing but love for?

This fucking sucks. I hate it.

I feel that same guilt with helping with his social media.  I just wanted Scott to feel love from his fans (and didn't lie about what he was doing or looked like with the photos) after how sad he seemed when I interviewed him, to remind him of the potential he had to be great, after having spent the last couple of years criticizing his shortcomings/unprofessional behavior in hopes of him getting better.

I feel really weird now after the interview with Scott too, especially with Tommy in the room.  Tommy was really sweet talking me.  Was he hoping that they would be able to dissuade me from ever doing any critical coverage again so they could continue doing what they were doing without the media holding them accountable?  Should I have pressed Scott about his addiction?  So many conflicted emotions, but ultimately none of it would have changed the end result at all.  If I'd brought it up I either would have heard lies or I would have been kicked off the tour bus.  That's addiction.

I will say though that the last time I paid for anything Scott Weiland merch/live show related though (outside of buying Blaster) was STP's second to last show with Scott in Irvine, CA in September 2012.

There does have to be another side to the story on some of this, but with the kids helping with the letter, that's pretty damning.


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Re: A letter from Mary.
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2015, 05:34:44 AM »
Jesus.

I mean, not that any of this comes as a surprise, but reading about how the kids hadn't seen their dad on Father's Day in years and weren't even invited to his wedding was heartbreaking. I think this is stuff that all of us deep down knew was true, but were willing to look past (along with all the other stuff) because we loved his music so much. This is something everyone on this board needs to read.
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